[AnythingPink]

Okay.. So where to start? There is a lot to be said about these specific topics. And the reason why it is these three: Music, Secret Societies, and Symbolism.. Is because they are all connected in one way or another.

When it comes to Secret Societies, I am speaking about topics ranging from the Freemasons to the Illuminati. And they are connected to Symbolism by the amount of signs you can find.. Which leads heavily into Pop Culture that takes us into music. Music itself is a very powerful tool when it comes to connecting people. And I've learned that a lot of times a person will listen and sing along to a song that they like EVEN if they do not understand it's meaning. So music does not have to be something we need to articulate to enjoy, it just has to sound good to our ears.

So hopefully by this point I have your attention. Keep in mind, in life it's good to look at things from different angles. Ever wonder why you never hear about stuff like this dealing in the media? Because everything being output to the viewers is controlled, so really freedom of speech, is just a term to help us feel comfortable. When really we live in a society where money is power, and those with power are usually corrupt.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

- Lord Acton

Now let's take a listen to a pretty popular song that I'm sure many of you have listened to.. This version is a little different, it's backmasked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMw3iESGbyM...feature=related

:19 - Yes, he's under and he can't get out
:30 - Satan forever
:34 - Evil loves you/He loves you

Creepy huh?

It's really no surprise to me that this song would have a backmasked message since the whole theme of it is dark. So I'm sure you're thinking, "Well how does this influence me?". Subconsciously you are being affected and not even knowing it, especially if you're someone who follows a religion. Subliminal messages are made to target our subconscious. It's a sneaky way of allowing things to take place.

"Okay but these singers don't always write these songs most of time, they are given these songs."

Which takes us back to secret societies. These are societies with power, who control a lot of things, including the music industry. So even if Rihanna didn't write Disturbia, someone still within the industry did. So again it goes back to who owns these singers/song-writers. And I truly believe that music is from the devil.

Jay-z loves to throw up his sign, which he says is diamond shaped..



What diamond? It's a pyramid.. And to show one eye, is in relations to the Egyptian god Horus. When he is at a concert.. Hundreds, maybe thousands (depending on how many there) will throw up this sign as well. So you see music is VERY influential. And people will say or do things only because an artist does it even when they don't even know what it means.

There is really too much to say, I'm just looking forward to other opinions about the subject.

http://www.theindustryexposed.com/

http://vigilantcitizen.com/

Interesting links if you want to read some stuff. I don't encourage believing in everything, since that's not what I'm trying to do here. I'm hoping that I could show others that there are different angles to things in life, and to never look at something for what it is at the surface.

Also check out the Obama Deception

[Infinitered]

The Disturbia thing is kinda creepy but I dont really think it was clear enough to be called intentional.

This post has been edited by Infinitered: 29 October 2009 - 06:25 PM

[Daze]

Interesting stuff, but I also seen videos were religious music has subliminal messages from the devil.

[Anger]

To be honest,not many artists want to send out a message nor to be known as a god/divinity etc...
The fact is that it teases our imagination each having it's own impact on people.

[neptune~]

But what exactly would they plan to achieve by putting the stuff in music? I mean I don't think listening to those songs has any effects on me?
ok this kinda explains some things http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-wBh35cio&NR=1

This post has been edited by neptune~: 29 October 2009 - 08:32 PM

[AnythingPink]

Interesting stuff, but I also seen videos were religious music has subliminal messages from the devil.

Which is why I said I believe that music is general is from the devil. So it's not surprising to know of religious music being tainted when music is originally from the devil himself.

To be honest,not many artists want to send out a message nor to be known as a god/divinity etc...
The fact is that it teases our imagination each having it's own impact on people.

I disagree with that.. For example, Jay-z likes to refer to himself as hova. What does it does it sound like when you put Jay and hova together? Jayhova.. Jehova. Think about it. A lot of music fans basically worship these artists, so most of them don't even have to claim to be divine when they already receive that treatment from fans that treat them as idols.

But what exactly would they plan to achieve by putting the stuff in music? I mean I don't think listening to those songs has any effects on me?

Well here's what I think.. Even if these subliminal messages have no effect on us, they are still representing who they really are. It's like a hidden logo under their lyrics. And it's just another thing that points back to this world is corrupt and that things are really just controlled and mapped out. And also, it's a way of them giving more power to Satan. So even if it has no effect on listeners, if a million people are all listening to a song that is really about something dark in nature towards the devil and they are singing it, just imagine what it does for the devil? The devil loves that because then he knows he is doing his job in tainting human beings. So just be careful in what you listen to, words are powerful.

[neptune~]

I wondered through youtube and saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izF7dAp_7RE...feature=related this is frikkin 11 parts....

[Mr. Solo Dolo]

Glad to see this. Read into the background of BP3 and it is truly a fascinating topic. Just think about how much of an influence he has.

[Daze]

Which is why I said I believe that music is general is from the devil. So it's not surprising to know of religious music being tainted when music is originally from the devil himself.

But since the beginning there was music for God way before the devil betrayed him, see all of this confuses me that's why i rather listen to techno

This post has been edited by Daze: 30 October 2009 - 03:04 PM

[Uru ♥ Toushisha]

But then you could generalize and see messages to propagate the devil in so much more besides music.
Also, you could take the time line back so far, to the root of music.

But I think calling music the work of the devil is perhaps a bit too much imo, I take all this with a grain of salt.
Ofcourse there are those who try to worship Satan through their music, but just because some do, doesn't mean that the whole industry does.

It's always interesting to see those theories though, I can see why they think what they do, but agree with them ... no thanks :/

[AnythingPink]

[Vo1ture]

There is some old classic rock songs played backwards that support Satan and talk about him. Also, many of the Beatles song talk about Satan and smoking marijuana. What is hilarious is one of Weird Al Yankovic's songs backmasked says "Satan Eats Cheese Wiz."

I dunno, weird stuff.

I'll tell you what is freaky though; the pokemon theme song backmasked. They are just screaming "I LOVE SATAN, I LOVE SATAN" over and over. That's f***ing weird shit.

This post has been edited by Vo1ture: 01 November 2009 - 01:06 AM

[Anima]

You left out a part of your quote of Lord Acton; which is often left out, but it fits your point very well.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

- Lord Acton

And why do you believe that 'Satan' is such a bad thing? If you read about the Morning Star you will find that he is more of a revolutionist than a rebel.

This post has been edited by animUH!: 01 November 2009 - 08:44 AM

[El Niño]

seriosuly, if he was a revoloutionist, then why would he try and lead us to hell? thats called a revolution? ok i can understand that if u call him a revolutionist he has tryed to overthrow God? as that is the meaning of revolution, to overthrow by one being governed. i believe the usage of revolution should be used in context as sort of "order from chaos"

[AnythingPink]

You left out a part of your quote of Lord Acton; which is often left out, but it fits your point very well.
And why do you believe that 'Satan' is such a bad thing? If you read about the Morning Star you will find that he is more of a revolutionist than a rebel.

Oh thanks for that, all the quotes I found of it left that part out as well so I didn't know.

Now onto your second sentence.. Really what good is there in something that is purely evil? He offers people pleasure, fame, money, etc, but everyone who goes through with it knows that Satan never fulfills what he promises. Why? Because he's also a liar. And he will say whatever he can to make a person betray God's will at the cost of that person going to Hell.

All this crazy stuff you see going on lately: Mothers eating their babies, children with no respect for adults, family members raping other family members, is fueled by evil. We all have free will and the choice to decide right from wrong based upon our own judgments, but you can not deny that their is a heavy influence of it all by Satan. And it's only seems to be getting worse.

So there is nothing good in him. He offers nothing but idol promises.

[ひTimster]

Now onto your second sentence.. Really what good is there in something that is purely evil? He offers people pleasure, fame, money, etc, but everyone who goes through with it knows that Satan never fulfills what he promises. Why? Because he's also a liar. And he will say whatever he can to make a person betray God's will at the cost of that person going to Hell.

All this crazy stuff you see going on lately: Mothers eating their babies, children with no respect for adults, family members raping other family members, is fueled by evil. We all have free will and the choice to decide right from wrong based upon our own judgments, but you can not deny that their is a heavy influence of it all by Satan. And it's only seems to be getting worse.

So there is nothing good in him. He offers nothing but idol promises.

all of the things you mention here aren't acutally mentioned in the subliminal messages... sure we associate the words god and satan to different things... but I still don't see any real and clear message in lines such as "love satan/the devil" etc... by this I mean a clear message such as "eat your baby" and so on...

also what if I don't believe in satan? then it means nothing? what is satan? you talk about it as if it's something we've all seen and know of?
I can see subliminal messages having an effect (it's documented) but only if it has real meaning to you... like for a really religious person who believes in stuff like what is being said... subliminal messages could possibly effect us all but only if the message is clear and has any meaning to us to begin with, we also have to be in a state where it can have enough impact on us, for example if we're emotionally/mentally vulnerable...

tho I do like one thing you said

We all have free will and the choice to decide right from wrong based upon our own judgments

right/wrong, good/bad&evil... is all a matter of opinion... deciding that satan is bad and god is good is just an opinion... what we choose to interpret and believe in is up to each and every person to decide for themselves...

This post has been edited by ひTimster: 01 November 2009 - 08:34 PM

[Mr. Solo Dolo]

Now onto your second sentence.. Really what good is there in something that is purely evil? He offers people pleasure, fame, money, etc, but everyone who goes through with it knows that Satan never fulfills what he promises. Why? Because he's also a liar. And he will say whatever he can to make a person betray God's will at the cost of that person going to Hell.

Don't wanna turn this into the Religion debate again but the Bible says it:

What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some research into Masonic tradition says that upon reaching a certain degree, for six years, the Devil will give you anything your heart desires in return for your soul. Must I say more?

[.HardToName.]

Everybody realizes that this is strictly entertainment and should not be taken seriously, right?

[AnythingPink]

all of the things you mention here aren't acutally mentioned in the subliminal messages... sure we associate the words god and satan to different things... but I still don't see any real and clear message in lines such as "love satan/the devil" etc... by this I mean a clear message such as "eat your baby" and so on...

also what if I don't believe in satan? then it means nothing? what is satan? you talk about it as if it's something we've all seen and know of?
I can see subliminal messages having an effect (it's documented) but only if it has real meaning to you... like for a really religious person who believes in stuff like what is being said... subliminal messages could possibly effect us all but only if the message is clear and has any meaning to us to begin with, we also have to be in a state where it can have enough impact on us, for example if we're emotionally/mentally vulnerable...

tho I do like one thing you said

right/wrong, good/bad&evil... is all a matter of opinion... deciding that satan is bad and god is good is just an opinion... what we choose to interpret and believe in is up to each and every person to decide for themselves...

Subliminal - below the threshold of conscious perception

Something subliminal would not outright say anything such as "eat your baby", it defeats the whole purpose of having intentions to send out a subliminal message.

And to me Satan the definition of evil. So even if you don't think it exists, you still can not deny the fact of their being good and evil, ying and yang, light and dark, etc. And I understand where you are getting at with the whole it can't impact someone unless it's direct and clear. I don't disagree with that, but what I'm trying to get at.. Is that many people feel comfortable when it comes to listening to music. Like some people who are only into Hip-Hop might say about Rock: "Oh, I don't listen to that stuff that talk about they Devil in their music." And if you do search, you can find where classic rock bands did backmask controversial messages into their songs. So it's like those who don't listen to rock feel comfortable, when in reality it's not just one type of genre. It would also make a lot more sense for it to be more prominent in genres like Pop and Hip-Hop since that is basically the mainstream here now (US).

Don't wanna turn this into the Religion debate again but the Bible says it:

What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some research into Masonic tradition says that upon reaching a certain degree, for six years, the Devil will give you anything your heart desires in return for your soul. Must I say more?

Exactly, these people sell themselves to the Devil. And these entertainers know about this. It's how some of these people are so successful. Think about it.. Why does the person who has a voice, has a good message behind their music but gets no play and the next time you hear of them you see they are out of the industry? Yet more than often songs that have no value, get played very often, a lot of promotion, etc.

Everybody realizes that this is strictly entertainment and should not be taken seriously, right?

Now that was really unnecessary. I don't go into your debates posting like that.

Even if I was to be wrong about this all, that wouldn't be the picture here. The bigger picture I'm trying to present is to keep your eyes open and always question. We could all take things for what they are, but what's the point when you can go deeper into a subject?

[.HardToName.]

Even if I was to be wrong about this all, that wouldn't be the picture here. The bigger picture I'm trying to present is to keep your eyes open and always question. We could all take things for what they are, but what's the point when you can go deeper into a subject?

Sorry if it seemed offensive but i truly believe this is a pile of rubbish.
Although don't get me wrong, I'm very interested in conspiracy theories, but only for their entertainment value
That bigger picture, though, I strongly agree with. People must always question.

AnythingPink, i perceive you as an intellectual. Am I wrong to think that you also disagree that there is such a large conspiracy such as the one you are portraying?
I'd like to believe you simply brought this up to discuss as a point of entertainment.